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		<title>By: Jamie Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. This is kind of an &quot;unconventional&quot; question , but have other visitors asked you how get the menu bar to look like you&#039;ve got it? I also have a blog and am really looking to alter around the theme, however am scared to death to mess with it for fear of the search engines punishing me. I am very new to all of this ...so i am just not positive exactly how to try to to it all yet. I&#039;ll just keep working on it one day at a time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. This is kind of an &#8220;unconventional&#8221; question , but have other visitors asked you how get the menu bar to look like you&#8217;ve got it? I also have a blog and am really looking to alter around the theme, however am scared to death to mess with it for fear of the search engines punishing me. I am very new to all of this &#8230;so i am just not positive exactly how to try to to it all yet. I&#8217;ll just keep working on it one day at a time</p>
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		<title>By: Onur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi my question is i  have  cut scars on my body and  one of my arm has tattoo on those scars pretty much hiding . but other arms still showing  but  if you look closer. someone  told me &quot; do i interested to modelling for their web site  catalog ?&quot; so i said yes but i dont know they said my tatoo  can be great for them . same time i really  anxious about my  cut scars. do you think can photo shop can fix it or can photographer can figure it out ? thank you so much</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi my question is i  have  cut scars on my body and  one of my arm has tattoo on those scars pretty much hiding . but other arms still showing  but  if you look closer. someone  told me &#8221; do i interested to modelling for their web site  catalog ?&#8221; so i said yes but i dont know they said my tatoo  can be great for them . same time i really  anxious about my  cut scars. do you think can photo shop can fix it or can photographer can figure it out ? thank you so much</p>
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		<title>By: ?y?c?</title>
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		<dc:creator>?y?c?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>???????. ? ??????????? ???? ????? ????????? ?? ????? ?????? :)</description>
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		<title>By: ania</title>
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		<dc:creator>ania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article and thank you to the commenters providing more food for thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article and thank you to the commenters providing more food for thought!</p>
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		<title>By: Khemiset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khemiset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you RC for this very interesting article! No, you haven&#039;t changed too much! How old were you on that pic? haha!

I&#039;m French, so excuse the mistakes in English! :) I&#039;m not a photographer I used to be a fashion designer and had to make choices in the work to be done on the catalog pictures with my partner and our graphic artist.

We used retouching to take off a few scars, a crooked toe, even to take a face from a different photo to put it on the body and outfit we NEEDED. Why? To sell our clothes, obviously.

The graphic artist was named at the end of the catalog as any member of the shoot crew but we never explained how heavily the photos were retouched, the same way we didn&#039;t explained that the make up artist had to hide a pimple on the model&#039;s face or that we had to put a pin on the back of a dress because it didn&#039;t exactly fit the model!

As professionals who deal with all the tools available to manipulate what we see (as well as what we hear in other types of media) we are undoubtedly more aware than the very target of those manipulated images out there. And this is of course why we have to set the limits of those very manipulations.

However, to me, PSing a photo is part of the creative process as much as picking the model or the landscape, the lighting and every aspect of the pre- and post-prod. Whether you see it as a simple tool to use or as a proper part of the result you seek (for self or client), I doubt any professional can consider it a way to dupe the audience.
Not that I want to be naive and think that professionals are not aware of the illusion people don&#039;t see (it is still part of why those pictures sell), but the photographer/retoucher is still a creative, therefore an artist, and their responsibility can only be limited to the point/opinion/purpose they express in their creation: the interpretation is the responsibility of the one who looks at the image!

I completely agree with you RC and Terry on these two necessary things: education and vulgarisation (I don&#039;t know if the term is right in English. In French it means &quot;making something more common and accessible to the greater number of people&quot;)! The more Photoshoppers and aware peers out there, the better the process of Photoshopping will be understood!

And the more tricks will be unveiled to the public! BONUS!!!

I tried to limit what I wanted to say as much as I could but it&#039;s not always easy to be condensed when you express your opinion!
Again, RC, thank you for this great article and many thanks to everyone who gave their input! It&#039;s a passionnating subject!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you RC for this very interesting article! No, you haven&#8217;t changed too much! How old were you on that pic? haha!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m French, so excuse the mistakes in English! <img src='http://layersmagazine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m not a photographer I used to be a fashion designer and had to make choices in the work to be done on the catalog pictures with my partner and our graphic artist.</p>
<p>We used retouching to take off a few scars, a crooked toe, even to take a face from a different photo to put it on the body and outfit we NEEDED. Why? To sell our clothes, obviously.</p>
<p>The graphic artist was named at the end of the catalog as any member of the shoot crew but we never explained how heavily the photos were retouched, the same way we didn&#8217;t explained that the make up artist had to hide a pimple on the model&#8217;s face or that we had to put a pin on the back of a dress because it didn&#8217;t exactly fit the model!</p>
<p>As professionals who deal with all the tools available to manipulate what we see (as well as what we hear in other types of media) we are undoubtedly more aware than the very target of those manipulated images out there. And this is of course why we have to set the limits of those very manipulations.</p>
<p>However, to me, PSing a photo is part of the creative process as much as picking the model or the landscape, the lighting and every aspect of the pre- and post-prod. Whether you see it as a simple tool to use or as a proper part of the result you seek (for self or client), I doubt any professional can consider it a way to dupe the audience.<br />
Not that I want to be naive and think that professionals are not aware of the illusion people don&#8217;t see (it is still part of why those pictures sell), but the photographer/retoucher is still a creative, therefore an artist, and their responsibility can only be limited to the point/opinion/purpose they express in their creation: the interpretation is the responsibility of the one who looks at the image!</p>
<p>I completely agree with you RC and Terry on these two necessary things: education and vulgarisation (I don&#8217;t know if the term is right in English. In French it means &#8220;making something more common and accessible to the greater number of people&#8221;)! The more Photoshoppers and aware peers out there, the better the process of Photoshopping will be understood!</p>
<p>And the more tricks will be unveiled to the public! BONUS!!!</p>
<p>I tried to limit what I wanted to say as much as I could but it&#8217;s not always easy to be condensed when you express your opinion!<br />
Again, RC, thank you for this great article and many thanks to everyone who gave their input! It&#8217;s a passionnating subject!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Sperry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Sperry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remove the people as the subject of retouching and what are we left with...likely a white or black background...okay, too literal.

I do more landscape photography than portrait, yet no one seems to have a problem if I increase the color saturation of a sunset photo just to increase the impact of the picture, or take a color photo and make it Black and White, or add Sepia or Blur or any number of other things.  But put a person in the photo and trim their waist or smooth out their skin then be prepared for the angry mob...

I think as photographers, we are more focused (pun intended) on dissecting published images than the general public, but I think also that we do that to better our own work.  If we see an obvious Photoshop giveaway, then we become more aware of it when working on our own photos.

Admittedly, I&#039;ve got mixed feelings about retouching, as Scott Kelby said, retouch to recreate what you saw (okay I paraphrased) but it makes sense....if it didn&#039;t stand out to you in person, then why must it stand out to you in a finished photo?

Do your retouching in a moderate way...don&#039;t try to make a new person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remove the people as the subject of retouching and what are we left with&#8230;likely a white or black background&#8230;okay, too literal.</p>
<p>I do more landscape photography than portrait, yet no one seems to have a problem if I increase the color saturation of a sunset photo just to increase the impact of the picture, or take a color photo and make it Black and White, or add Sepia or Blur or any number of other things.  But put a person in the photo and trim their waist or smooth out their skin then be prepared for the angry mob&#8230;</p>
<p>I think as photographers, we are more focused (pun intended) on dissecting published images than the general public, but I think also that we do that to better our own work.  If we see an obvious Photoshop giveaway, then we become more aware of it when working on our own photos.</p>
<p>Admittedly, I&#8217;ve got mixed feelings about retouching, as Scott Kelby said, retouch to recreate what you saw (okay I paraphrased) but it makes sense&#8230;.if it didn&#8217;t stand out to you in person, then why must it stand out to you in a finished photo?</p>
<p>Do your retouching in a moderate way&#8230;don&#8217;t try to make a new person.</p>
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		<title>By: Notable NAPP Links for the Week of June 7, 2009 &#124; My Home Sweet Home</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notable NAPP Links for the Week of June 7, 2009 &#124; My Home Sweet Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Retouching with the World&#8217;s 21st Century Corset [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dawn @ My Home Sweet Home</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn @ My Home Sweet Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 03:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate having my picture made. I&#039;m much more comfortable behind the camera than in front of it. I wanted a new &quot;spring time&quot; profile picture today (that wasn&#039;t taken in cold weather with me in a leather jacket), so my 12-year-old daughter took some shots for me.

I have deep-set eyes and a big nose. Unless I&#039;m staring right into the light, my eye area is going to be dark; conversely, my nose is going to pick up the highlights, which makes it look even bigger.

I took one of the photos my daughter shot today and brushed lightened exposure around my eyes and darkened the exposure on my nose. I lightened the whites of my eyes since they were shadowed (like I said, they&#039;re very deep-set).

Do I feel bad, sneaky, or deceptive about the changes? Not one bit. Maybe one reason I never liked having my picture made is that I always disliked the end result (and yes, I have one of those chicken pox scars, too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate having my picture made. I&#8217;m much more comfortable behind the camera than in front of it. I wanted a new &#8220;spring time&#8221; profile picture today (that wasn&#8217;t taken in cold weather with me in a leather jacket), so my 12-year-old daughter took some shots for me.</p>
<p>I have deep-set eyes and a big nose. Unless I&#8217;m staring right into the light, my eye area is going to be dark; conversely, my nose is going to pick up the highlights, which makes it look even bigger.</p>
<p>I took one of the photos my daughter shot today and brushed lightened exposure around my eyes and darkened the exposure on my nose. I lightened the whites of my eyes since they were shadowed (like I said, they&#8217;re very deep-set).</p>
<p>Do I feel bad, sneaky, or deceptive about the changes? Not one bit. Maybe one reason I never liked having my picture made is that I always disliked the end result (and yes, I have one of those chicken pox scars, too).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats nothing, check out this video I found a few years back when I took my first photoshop class. This is just outrageous but it was taken to prove a point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnEvudXqP-w</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats nothing, check out this video I found a few years back when I took my first photoshop class. This is just outrageous but it was taken to prove a point</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnEvudXqP-w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnEvudXqP-w</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it depends on the result.  I started photography back in the film days in the early 70&#039;s and I would say I nailed one landscape image out of a hundred as a teen photog.  Sports I nailed about 3 per roll of film.  When I got my first digital in 2004 I was able to nail about 2 landscapes per session.  I shot the Abququerque Ballon Festival right after getting that camera and sold several images per day.  I had never heard of Photoshop or knew how to use it.  I just shot and cropped and then printed on my Epson R300.  After several months I heard of Photoshop and bought CS.  I never could use it.  Finally I started doing event photography and needed more than what I could shoot out of my images I shot for a year or so then started looking for something that would teach me how to use PS.  I finally bought several of Scott Kelby&#039;s books found Photoshop TV online and then spent several months watching training video from KelbyTraing.com and now I understand how to use PS but I am no where near anything but a novice.  I have SK&#039;s 7 Point system book and plan on finishing it after his LR2 book then after that is his CS4 book.  By then CS5 will be out.

I think if it is a portrait then you do what the client wants and that goes for any sale.  But I think that the rags should add a caveat that these images are heavily retouched or slightly modified depending on what has been done.  Newspapers should only allow the type of stuff that can be done in the LR2 Develop Module to be done and then limit it to the top portion of the module without using the brush thingy.  Same for News shots.  perty soon the videos we see will be PSed on the news before we are shown them if we do not put some universal guidelines in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it depends on the result.  I started photography back in the film days in the early 70&#8242;s and I would say I nailed one landscape image out of a hundred as a teen photog.  Sports I nailed about 3 per roll of film.  When I got my first digital in 2004 I was able to nail about 2 landscapes per session.  I shot the Abququerque Ballon Festival right after getting that camera and sold several images per day.  I had never heard of Photoshop or knew how to use it.  I just shot and cropped and then printed on my Epson R300.  After several months I heard of Photoshop and bought CS.  I never could use it.  Finally I started doing event photography and needed more than what I could shoot out of my images I shot for a year or so then started looking for something that would teach me how to use PS.  I finally bought several of Scott Kelby&#8217;s books found Photoshop TV online and then spent several months watching training video from KelbyTraing.com and now I understand how to use PS but I am no where near anything but a novice.  I have SK&#8217;s 7 Point system book and plan on finishing it after his LR2 book then after that is his CS4 book.  By then CS5 will be out.</p>
<p>I think if it is a portrait then you do what the client wants and that goes for any sale.  But I think that the rags should add a caveat that these images are heavily retouched or slightly modified depending on what has been done.  Newspapers should only allow the type of stuff that can be done in the LR2 Develop Module to be done and then limit it to the top portion of the module without using the brush thingy.  Same for News shots.  perty soon the videos we see will be PSed on the news before we are shown them if we do not put some universal guidelines in place.</p>
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