Tip Box Design - Help, Help, Help, Please

[Alienontherun]

Hi Lukas,

After trying everything I thought possible to sort the colour aberration, I just created a second colour filled box and placed it underneath my tip box and sent it to back. I filed the tip box with white and sent it to back, so the text could appear and the effect of the drop shadow could show.

It worked. There was no problem when exporting to PDF.

[Lukas Engqvist]

Yes some blend modes to not behave as they should on a null background (as opposed to a white background). Glad you solved it

[eugenetyson]

http://indesignsecrets.com/rounded-c...-on-frames.php

[kialua]

If this is going to press to be printed Never Never have a white box fill with white. In my experience it won't work without someone in pre press fixing it.

[eugenetyson]

Originally Posted by kialua

If this is going to press to be printed Never Never have a white box fill with white. In my experience it won't work without someone in pre press fixing it.

Whaaaat? Do you mean never have a white box fill with overprint?

[kialua]

Originally Posted by Alienontherun

Hi Lukas,

After trying everything I thought possible to sort the colour aberration, I just created a second colour filled box and placed it underneath my tip box and sent it to back. I filed the tip box with white and sent it to back, so the text could appear and the effect of the drop shadow could show.

It worked. There was no problem when exporting to PDF.

Eugene, No, this box filled with white and sent to back.

[Lukas Engqvist]

Especially if it is behind all else. (Now Kialua, I do agree with you if you mean in Artwork where a hole is desired and people cover it with a white object and pretend it is a hole being a bad idea, but in a layout program when white is the page colour it is quite possible. And if you want a white square with a drop shadow there is no other way. A white box with a dropshadow set to overprint will give you just the shadow)

I do see a problem if a white box has the white set to overprint!

Let me explain the bugg I reported. I wanted to have a glow that would not affect black text but remove all CMY in background, so created a colour of 0 0 0 100 and used it in a blend mode screen. This mean it should cut CMY but only make K 100% if it was darker than 100%, ie leave unchanged. If this glow went outside the objects to where there was no colour then the K would show... this was the bugg.

What I susspect may be an issue though is that text covered by transparent objects was creating the problem. If the tip box would have been sent to back and text ontop there would not have been a problem in first place. This is why text should allways be on the top most layer as far as possible (and not be overlapped by transparent objects). If there is transparency involved it raises a series of questions, but even though I touched on them (by asking a number of questions in a previous post) there are other posts dealing with the details.
The guess work to understand the problem is because there is no visual of the problem described in words.

[eugenetyson]

Oh covering items with white text boxes to hide them. Yeh I frigging hate that.

I'll have to read Lukas bug report later. Sounds interesting.

[kialua]

Interesting Lukas. I tend to stay away from white altogether. I once had a document where the in house designer put so many white boxes on that it tied up the rip all night long and never kicked out. Went in and looked it over only to find it had about 100 layers of white covering up stuff.

For this tip box I would use a fill of a 10% Yellow or M or C and then the drop shadow should work. But if you think it's fine using white?

[Lukas Engqvist]

A modern rip needs to have coverage down to 1% if you want to have soft drop shadows. So if you want white use white, ofcourse covering things up is like leaving autumnleaves over winter because the snow will hide it…*we all know what happens in spring